We’re so happy to see the moments captured by fans have a … .well, most of it. Drove up from Cincy. Bummer. Collection GratefulDead Band/Artist Grateful Dead Resource DeadLists Project. Submitted by Steve-O on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 14:45, Submitted by kentpeace on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 20:57, Submitted by Salmon Will on Mon, 09/17/2007 - 15:19, Submitted by luv Brent70 on Fri, 11/23/2007 - 21:06, Submitted by lashield on Fri, 05/23/2008 - 13:58, Submitted by QtheEsquimeaux on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 14:19, Submitted by darkstar92117 on Tue, 02/24/2009 - 17:30, Submitted by Beth Marcum on Mon, 08/23/2010 - 07:32, Submitted by for_veronicas_sake on Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:26, Submitted by missitall on Sat, 04/02/2011 - 19:08, Submitted by Rootsmama@gmail.com on Tue, 10/21/2014 - 09:46. $100. Unable to process your request at this time. It was the end of one era, and the beginning of another. I agree The Holiday Inn was an epic party that night but I know we would have all rather been dancin' inside the coliseum. Missed the Holiday Inn episode however; sounds like it was a good time. Peace. We'll try to find what you're looking for but in the meantime why not check out these sections of Dead.net? The Grateful Dead Archive Online (GDAO) is a socially constructed collection comprised of over 45,000 digitized items drawn from the UCSC Library's extensive Grateful Dead Archive (GDA) and from digital content submitted by the community and global network of Grateful Dead fans. It was a weird, emotional night; I think this episode, for me anyway, helped get rid of the tension. i remember getting kinda choked up during crazy fingers when jerry sang "something new is waiting..."btw in response to the previous post: yes, it was on this night when those "ripple" flyers got handed out, but you're right that the planned sing-a-long never really got off the ground. '73-'74, Cornell Do you remember the snow tunnels and igloos in the courtyard? of course Brent could never be replaced, but it was always a lot of fun to watch and hear the interplay between Jerry and Bruce at future shows....yeah, i agree with sentiments expressed earlier that this show was weird. Vince Welnick's first show - Jerry introduces Vince after Bird Song. Get the Grateful Dead Setlist of the concert at Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, OH, USA on September 7, 1990 from the Fall Tour 1990 Tour and other Grateful Dead Setlists for free on setlist.fm! Looking high, looking low. below are links to the show(s) mentioned in your comment. bird song and peter made me cry... thanx jerry and company... the keys just weren't up to the same standard we were used to. r/gratefuldead: A great place to space your face. i think everyone was doing their best to welcome vince to the band, but still felt a real void nonetheless. Thank you to those kind heads who scored us the tix. I was there. it was certainly strange having brent gone....first show without him. The guy could sing and it was clear the band was working at it. But it always snows in Northeast Ohio, no need to stop a show!!! It was the main arena for the Northeast Ohio region until 1994, when it was replaced by Gund Arena in downtown Cleveland. 7" Singles The blizzard was crazy. It's likely that 10 million saw the Dead in their last decade as freebies and people "on the list" were probably 10% of the total audience in these days. Show Archive. Anyone out there go to this cancelled show? Master Audience Nakamichi CM300/CP4 Shotguns>Sony D5 Taper Floater,Transfer By Keo Tapes: Set 1 Maxell MX-90 set 2 Maxell Metal Capsule 100; Transfer With Nakamichi MR-1>korg MR-1000 @ 1 Bit/5.6 MHz Tracking/Sample Rate Conversion/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software To 32 Bit Float/96 kHz Dithered/Flacked With AudioGate Software To 16/44 SBE's Checked/Fixed With Traders Little Helper G.D. We stayed at a local hotel, but I'm not sure if it was the Holiday Inn. Grateful Dead 1991/9/6 - Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, OH 12 0. Collection, Dead & I had tickets for the second night, so it was cool. I was there with some friends. John Basso May 13, 2020. I'm sure the same was said of Brent after Keith left. Turned back south and stopped at the first rest stop, and scored 2 tickets for Sunday night's show. Still in touch but many, many miles from me. ... Just another evolution of The Grateful Dead. PEOPLE CHECKED OUT THIS SHOW. Only in Ohio will they cancel a Dead show due to weather. Hahaha great times. $100, Over We lost power for a bit and ventured out into the halls to find it was lined with folks tossing glow-in-the-dark bouncy balls all over the place. See the setlist from Grateful Dead at Richfield Coliseum in Richfield Township, OH on Sep 7, 1990. Just another evolution of The Grateful Dead. Picks, Dead Unable to process your request at this time. Gotta love that GD rumor mill. I was resting my bones in northern New England and we had like 4 feet of cold rain and snow there! Grateful Dead Live at Richfield Coliseum on 1990-09-07 ... "As a whole, in general, the Grateful Dead is not benign." The girl? Latter-day Dead is a hit-or-miss proposition. Today in Grateful Dead History: September 7, 1990 – Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, OH September 7, 2016 September 7, 2016 ~ eprich This show marks Vince Welnick’s debut as the Grateful Dead’s keyboardist after the untimely demise of Brent Mydland earlier in the year. What an incredible "Playin' " jam-has to be heard to be believed. Grateful Dead; Item Number RCO940320-BP; DATE Mar 20, 1994; VENUE Richfield Coliseum (Richfield, OH); SIZE 2 1/2" x 3 5/8"; Condition New The list of acts that performed in Richfield is strikingly similar to the current list of inductees of Cleveland’s Rock and Rock Hall of Fame, with acts like Stevie Wonder, Eric Clapton, KISS, The Who and Grateful Dead performing in the Coliseum. Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; AKGC451EB/CK1's (DIN/DFC/First Row Of OTS/6 Feet High)> Whirlwind Phantoms>Sony TC-D5M,Tapes Set 1 Maxell MX-s,Set 2 Maxell MX; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/48> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/FLAC8); Tracks Renamed/Dithered/Flacked With Korg Aqua To 16/44 By Keo; SBE's … The dj booth was overtaken by dead heads with some killer bootleg tapes!!!!! beep.. 9/4/1991 - Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, OH |. It was amazing! I thought I was just trippin that my butt was warm but really it was the first time I caught a ride in a car with heated seats. By submitting my information, I agree to receive personalized updates and marketing messages about Grateful Dead based on my information, interests, activities, website visits and device data and in accordance with the. Driving in the blizzard on the way in was its own lightshow! I remember that the next day the only place that was open for lunch was Hooters. Please try again later. Some 'Cold, Rain and Snow' for sure. In the 1990's the Grateful Dead were the real deal, the big daddy of the concert world selling over 9 million of concert tickets grossing more than $227 million in concert gross. Games, Furniture & Video: The Grateful Dead at Richfield Coliseum, September 8, 1990 Posted By Eric Sandy on Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:53 PM. I'll never forget that night . I enjoyed all the Dead shows I've seen in my short time as a Deadhead, But in my opinion none compare to the Brent Era. $100. There was a pancake house next to it. A cancelled show at Richfield due to snow, now that's crazy man. Yeah - We came in from Detroit and were at the Red Roof Inn in Independence - it was a damn shame we missed it because for a few of my friends it would have been their first concert. ). ima bot. He was down in the mix, but his sound effects/playing seemed more "at place" than in future tours, in my humble opinion. . Yeah- drove all the way up from Indy to the Richfield exit off 271 before we were told the show was canceled. More, Recreation & I was not there but I remember the storm too well! Anniversary, Dave's More, Recreation & beep. I wasn't terribly impressed with Vince and this 1st show had a strange vibe of course. Unable to process your request at this time. No clue what hotel I stayed in. I was there . $30, $30 - grateful dead ticket stub 03-14-1993 richfield coliseum - $25.92. SUBMIT YOUR OWN. 1977, 50th Grateful Dead Richfield Coliseum March 21, 1994. for sale! I sure missed Brent at these shows ...takes a while to get used to Vince's singing voice...Still trying.. Vince's first show-and a great one. The Djs with the bootlegs and the staff letting people sleep in the lobby! - for the September 9, 1993 ( 9/9/1993 ) Grateful Dead Show at the Richfield Coliseum in Richfield, Ohio ! brokenhearted from brendt and ray vaughn(at alpine valley), this was a rough year for us all, but this show was a redeemer in my eyes that 900 tons was still a fun ride. I love this show listening to it now. I remember that this was my first show and I knew nothing about the Dead other than "Truckin'" - I was going with a girl that I was absolutely in love with and she paid more attention to the people around us than me. Set 1: Hell in a Bucket, Sugaree, Minglewood Blues, Friend of the Devil, Queen Jane Approximately, Loser, Cassidy, Deal | Set 2: Eyes of the World, Estimated Prophet, Terrapin Station, Drums, Space, All Along the Watchtower, Stella Blue, Throwing Stones, Not Fade Away | Encore: One More Saturday Night Richfield Coliseum, also known as the Coliseum at Richfield, was an indoor arena located in Richfield Township, between Cleveland and Akron, Ohio.It opened in 1974 as a replacement for the Cleveland Arena, and had a seating capacity of 20,273 for basketball. Later the Dead encored with 'I Fought the Law'. I think 3 is generous for this show. Publication date 1994-03-21 (check for other copies) Topics Live concert. oz. What a long strange trip that was!!! Which was also a comment, I am sure, on their fruitless arguing with the authorities about canceling the show. Picks, Dead Thank you for contributing to the collective memory of Jerry Garcia. 7" Singles The Coliseum at Richfield was also a rock 'n' roll concert mecca, hosting everyone from Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley to Led Zeppelin and Bruce Springsteen. Come on without, come on within! Unable to process your request at this time. Grateful Dead Live at Richfield Coliseum on 1994-03-21. by Grateful Dead. BTW they played a 10 song first set, kind of rare for this era. Richfield Coliseum - September 7, 1990. SPRING 1994 Richfield, OH. Grateful Dead : Richfield Coliseum: Richfield, OH: Jul 05, 1990 Dr. Feelgood World Tour '89–'90 Mötley Crüe / Johnny Crash : Richfield Coliseum: Richfield, OH: Jun 09, 1990 Hot in the Shade Kiss: Richfield Coliseum: Richfield, OH: Jun 09, 1990 Hot in the Shade KISS / Slaughter / Little Caesar: We all flew up from Florida for the 1st show since Brent's passing to see what the future held for the Band. Collection, Dead & Please try again later. Next. Grateful Dead Fans ! 1977, 50th Company, Stickers & Anyone remember people talking about Steve Winwood as a propect for keys? We were supposed to sing Ripple to the band when Jerry took the stage after set break, but Bobby came out first and threw us stoners for a loop. Other than that I can say this show was weird. Anniversary, Dave's Appropriately enough, they opened Sunday night's show with.........anybody?..........Bueller? Ran out of gas on the way home - hiked to the gas station with a can, and hitched a ride back to the car with a trucker. 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By submitting my information, I agree to receive personalized updates and marketing messages about Grateful Dead based on my information, interests, activities, website visits and device data and in accordance with the. Grateful Dead fans are photographed outside the Richfield Coliseum before a concert in 1993. Company, Stickers & hey now ***if you're looking for particular gd / family tickets - 324159725615 Then a great show the next night!!! Previous. | L.A. Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles, CA: 1 Show 6/1/91 (Sat) Summer East Coast Tour: 14 Shows. Another time I will share a story about walking from the Holiday Inn to the Colliseum! as was also previously mentioned, the 10-song first set was a nice treat, but for me anyway shows got a lot better once Bruce joined the band. The halls were filled with Heads and tanks! Pretty cold camping nights in September, and gray days as I recall - though the pool at the campground was still full. Pass 1 $58 $29 $29.00 New; PERFORMER. ". $30, $30 - I will never forget the Cold Rain and Snow!!!!!!!!!! & Rick Griffin Art ! & Company, Under It was wierd to not have Brent in the keyboard seat, and it was wierd to not really hear keyboards all that much as it seemed that had Vince turned down these first couple of shows until they could get Bruce in there to open it up a bit. Grateful Dead; Item Number RCO910904-PG; DATE Sep 4, 1991; VENUE Richfield Coliseum (Richfield, OH); SIZE 5 3/8" x 8 1/2"; Condition Mint I called in as Catie's dad, she called in as my mom, and Brian had to call in as his own pops. & Company, Under For some reason, this tour was probably Vince's best. Explore releases from the Richfield Coliseum label. SPRING 1994 Richfield, OH. Ticket ( Full Ticket ! Discover what's missing in your discography and shop for Richfield Coliseum releases. If yes did you party at the Holidayinn that night? Turned back south and stopped at the first rest stop, and scored 2 … The whole night was amazing followed by another amazing show the next night! Discover more music, concerts, videos, and pictures with the largest catalogue online at Last.fm. I remember missing Brent for sure, but I was glad that the GD were still pushing forward, I wasn't ready to let go at this point. A triumphant return for the boys after Brent's untimely demise...Bobby, Jerry, and Phil sounded particularly good at both of these Richfield shows. Just a strange set of emotions on this first night for me and I'm sure lots of other heads. 1st Printing $240 $120 $120.00 Mint; PERFORMER. I knew I was sad that Brent was gone, but Brent was clearly missed and that reality caught me more off guard then I was prepared for. I was there! The holiday inn was transformed into and am amazing oasis - never seen anything like it.. TIx for Sunday we not to be found but my brother and I have 10th row center. We came from Pittsburgh on the PA turnpike, which was closed to anyone that was not already on the road. ... Great Lovelight/Stella/Lovelight which was broadcast later that year on The Grateful Dead … By the second night we payed much less attention to Brent's absence and much more to the music at hand. My son was born at 7:05am in the morning of this show, I had to give up the seats. I wasn't terribly impressed with Vince and this 1st show had a strange vibe of course. Grateful Dead 1990/9/8 - Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, OH 8 1. 30 old photos of Richfield Coliseum that will make you miss the Palace on the Prairie. I'm pretty sure it was this show. I'd never seen major lightning during a snow storm like that. Listen free to Grateful Dead – 1991-09-05 Richfield Coliseum - Richfield, OH. Probably above average for the last 10 years of the band and a solid C- compared to the recorded history of the band. Community | Dead 101 | Features | Show Archive Add to favorites. I can't find any listing for Robin Trower Actually, now that I just listened to 6-22-92, I'll have to take back what I said about Vince's playing fitting better in '90, 'cause he plays REALLY well at that show, with some great sounds. '73-'74, Cornell A night I will never forget. First time I had shrooms from the parking lot and it blew me away. Yeah. home > archive > Richfield Coliseum - September 7, 1990. 3,292. What a crazy night that was for me and 3 of my closest friends. Not as good as the next night, but it still got thunderous applause from the assembled throngs. A good friend who was in the area had tickets and he had called me almost in tears because that was the only show he was going to make for the whole year! Something that has happened so many times before. I drove out from Chicago. I remember people trying to sing it, but it never really materialized. Yeah, I think I remember that-I seem to recall tripping balls, searching for the sound of Ripple starting, being very confused-and then looking around at people around me doing the same thing, realizing we were doing the same thing, and laughing hysterically. Décor, Long Strange Trip, Pacific Northwest Yeah- drove all the way up from Indy to the Richfield exit off 271 before we were told the show was canceled. Just goes to show that you really can't make any blanket statements about the Dead, which is part of what made them what they were. - Featuring Rick Griffin " Dueling Eyeballs ! I sure do miss them times!!! The Richfield Coliseum opened 1974 until 1994. 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