I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. Thanks for the weird post about the fast food you like, though :). Who here wants to entrust their lives to "fresh" ill-paid FAs? We pay the least to all our staff! Welcome! 2. Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Think lifeguards. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. they are transparent. Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. anything less than market rate? Is this essentially age discrimination? But.can't raise interest. Hey. The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month. So, that will Hey. And in the interview say no thanks pay to low and walk out. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. The race to the bottom continues. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Four major career destroying events in 20 years. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. See point 2. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. End stage capitalism here people. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. No Per Diem. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Its schedule, price, loyalty program. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. Id be interested in knowing more about the contents and cost of flight attendant training programs. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough? Breeze Airways Opens Flight Attendant Recruitment Beyond Online 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. I would think having your own place paid for as an apartment or even sharing would save you $6000 a month at least. There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. Airfare provided to go home monthly. Aviation is amazing!! They paid $3.50 an hour. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. Also: are families welcome? The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. Good luck with that. Fly for less money and less stress. Both the developers and the company very much like this arrangement. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. Of course, I will never forget Herb Kelleher walking into a pintos union negotiation and exclaiming to them all, "Let's start by saying that I know you guys would do this nothing if you had to!". The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Low fares. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. He learned his trade at the knee of Mitt Romney. Captain 1st year $192 and $203 in year six. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. Jobs at Breeze Airways - Greenhouse Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Have you gone to college? Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. /s. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. $36.76. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Close. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Reddit - Dive into anything The number of terrible domestic airlines keeps increasing. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Just wondering if there will be many legal challenges here? This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. You ask "why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. The company may credit new hires for any prior active years of service at another Part 121/135 air carrier or at a Mesa-affiliated pilot development program for purposes of calculating years of service for compensation, vacation, and retirement. When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. As youd expect, existing flight attendant unions will no doubt be targeting Breeze: The largest U.S. flight attendants union says it looks like an attempt to abuse federal work-study subsidies to hold down labor costs. It's capitalism in it's most raw form. Ability and respect is earned. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. Kendor coming out strongly in favor of Gilded Age company towns, I see. Free housing with huge tuition reimbursement. See more about our ethics policies here. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. Don't knock it - they may be seeing how they can yield sufficient FA's before they go a different route entirely. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Breeze will be a low cost carrier primarily operating point-to-point routes that arent currently served. Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). A hundred years ago, Kendor would be talking about the joys of working one's way up from being a frontline Pinkerton goon to the guy commanding a whole squad of goons. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. But I guess everyone agrees that the duties of FAs are just going down day by day. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. I explained more in my previous posts. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. Your slip is showing. Whats my take? Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. 1) Free Housing! Breeze Airways Is Recruiting Pilots; What Execs Look for When Hiring Flight attendants as interns is a novel idea on paper but. Need to use the Robinhood model where PAX fly free or get paid to fly, in exchange for all of their data / information which can be sold for revenue generation. Why @sruart does the country really need more low wage perminent temporary jobs? Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? All rights reserved. Kendor gonna be thrilled when Breeze slashes wages by another third in exchange for company scrip redeemable for filet mignon sandwiches. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. 1. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. Or at least it is very close. Of course, what's needed is a severe pilot shortage to really change up the whole industry. LSS, the "free market" (which doesn't really exist) isn't designed to change fast enough for a volatile industry like the airlines. Not to mention the work ethic or lack of it. Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? I would have loved an opportunity like this. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? Breeze Airways Relaxes Flight Attendant Hiring Policy How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). Per the website, FAs can work a maximum of 60 hours per month. New. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. may be it is totally moronic. Nah man, cars suck. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. The Dept. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. This is absolutely exploitive. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. Breeze Airways to Offer Pilots Uncompetitive Pay I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. 2) Free Travel! The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. 2. As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. As a retired Flight Attendant after 34 years of service I find this both offensive and sad. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. I applied for a ticket/ramp/gate/baggage handler position and got the job. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. High Flex. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. 2) Free Travel! I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. If not the comparison is poor. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. Mar 23, 2022 You should be too. For now its all supply and demand compounded with an industry in the toilet. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six JetBlue Captains: $182,000 by year six Caveats The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Breeze Now, Pay Later. Almost every airline has it in the agreement that upon graduation from FA training you have to get yourself to whatever base they need crew at. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. share. Breeze Airways | AirlinePilotCentral.com When I spoke to Utah Valley Univ recruiters they hinted heavily the program was designed for the under 25 crowd. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Housing and travel to/from work provided. And Coke Zero, make it a large. Be honest. If the public and the FAA is satisfied with the drinks they get served and the safety practices that by law must be followed then perhaps there is no reason at all for them to vote with their feet. The pay scale also looks good. Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. Very clever. (E-190) And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. This is Slave wages but should we be surprised this is coming from the same CEO that says Masks are for Morons so all the hard working front line workers that have lost their lives that were wearing masks trying to save folks lives.His mouth has spoken and I have listened on how I will spend my airline travel dollars and it wont be on Breeze. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. I am over the moon thrilled! This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Breeze Airways Jobs & Careers - 22 Open Positions | Glassdoor Can't wait to see more innovation!! 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. I'm 41. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. Glorious. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Pilots generally get paid for flight hours; the hourly rate might seems high, but pilots arent getting paid for anywhere close to 40 hours per week of work, Pay varies depending on whether youre captain or first officer, and each year your pay typically increases, up to a certain cap, Other than hourly pay, one other important metric is minimum guaranteed monthly hours, since guaranteed hours multiplied by hourly pay guarantees your minimum monthly pay, First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six, Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six, Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), A first officer is looking at earning $36,300 in the first year, and $62,040 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $77,220 in the first year, and $94,380 in the sixth year, In absolute terms these are above average salaries in the US, However, pilot training is expensive, and an Embraer 195 has nearly 120 seats, so its bigger than your typical regional jet; also, the airline will eventually fly A220s, and presumably pay wont be much better, Breeze is expecting more from pilots than regional airlines, as applicants already need a type rating for Embraer aircraft, and also need more experience, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to JetBlue pilot pay, since, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to SkyWest pilot pay; pilots often go to regional airlines to gain experience early on, and this typically represents the lowest pay youll find in the airline industry, First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying, A JetBlue Embraer 190 first officer is looking at earning $80,100 in the first year, and $117,000 in the sixth year, A JetBlue Embraer 190 captain is looking at earning $172,800 in the first year, and $182,700 in the sixth year, First officers are paid $45 per hour in year one, and $59 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $79 per hour in year one, and $91 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 76 hours per month of flying, A first officer is looking at earning $41,040 in the first year, and $53,808 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $72,048 in the first year, and $82,992 in the sixth year, The most unreasonable part of Breezes pay arrangement is the minimum guaranteed hours, rather than the hourly rate as such; everyone needs a certain amount of money to cover their bills, and the minimum monthly amount sure is low, Breeze is essentially trying to pay like a regional airline, while requiring more experience to get hired (pilots need to be type rated on Embraer aircraft, and need 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time), Between the flight attendant employment arrangement and the pilot pay, it doesnt seems like Breeze is trying to build a culture that encourages employees to stay with the company long term, It takes years (and a lot of money) to get to the point where you can get this job, youre flying a plane that retails for tens of millions of dollars, and you have the lives of nearly 120 people at a time in your hands, and youre potentially being paid ~16% above a $15 minimum wage (which we have in many cities nowadays). Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. @Robert. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. your username . Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. These numbers are minimums. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. I don't see a huge ad component to revenue, which isn't how he ran JetBlue when he started it in the lowest point of the dotcom bust era. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. The pay scale also looks good. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". At 5 bucks an hour. thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021, The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations, Breeze hiring pilots with uncompetitive pay. At least, I can't find that information. may be it is totally moronic. Working at Breeze Airways: Employee Reviews | Indeed.com Well what about Maintenance. But how does this affect pay for pilots? David Neeleman has always been a skinflint.